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> <channel><title>Comments on: Fed Bailout Could Cost $1 TRILLION Of Your Tax Dollars.</title> <atom:link href="http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/</link> <description>A place to discuss money...for the rest of us.</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 01:22:07 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: kch</title><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/#comment-38823</link> <dc:creator>kch</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:16:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mytwodollars.com/?p=1665#comment-38823</guid> <description>Is there another system?  I dont know.  However, I think it is irrisponsible to blame an ideology (which is all capitalism or even communism is anyway).  The ideology is not the problem, the human factor (GREED) is the problem.
Take capitalism for instance...  It is based on the premise of supply and demand, markets are self-regulating, and that the individual or company that makes a better mouse trap for less will prevail, so long as there is a demand for mouse traps, and other companies will either adjuster their prices, technologies, or fail.  The common misconception with capitalism is the idea that companies and individuals have to MAXIMIZE their profits.  I understand that companies are in business to make money, but maximizing profits is what causes businesses to cut corners in production, dump into the environment (to avoid the cost to properly dispose of materials), ship jobs to other countries where labor laws and minimum wages are less enforeable, etc.  Adam Smith (the proclaimed god of capitalism) in &quot;A Wealth of Nations&quot; saw markets as self regulating, EXCEPT the banking system.  Even Adam smith in 1776 understood the need to regulate the banks.  It is to vital of an institution to allow to go unchecked.
The current system (Federal Reserve system) is designed to cause inflation.  The fractional banking system is inherently flawed.  This inflation and need for credit/debt is one of the causes of the level of National debt.  Who knows when the last time the U.S. national debt was 0?  it was during the civil war, before the Federal Resever was in existance, we had the green back.  the United States is the worst of all developed countries in the world when it comes to income disparity.  We focus on GDP (Gross Demostic Product), I feel a better determining factor as to the economic stability of the nation would be per capita.  Where would we be ranked then?  I agree that the Federal Reserve along with corporate greed and a society that shovels the &quot;american Dream&quot; idea down the citizens thoarts are the root causes of the financial crises.  But as long as lobbyists (there are 5 finacial lobbyists for every member of congress) and campaign contributions (it is now legal for corporations to donate unlimited amounts of fuinds to campaigns; Citizens United case)there will be no incentive for the government ot begin regulating or changing tghe current system.  The rich get richer, politicians get more corrupt, and the poor bear the burden, but dont worry...we always have the jails to keep the poor from doing anything about it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there another system?  I dont know.  However, I think it is irrisponsible to blame an ideology (which is all capitalism or even communism is anyway).  The ideology is not the problem, the human factor (GREED) is the problem.</p><p>Take capitalism for instance&#8230;  It is based on the premise of supply and demand, markets are self-regulating, and that the individual or company that makes a better mouse trap for less will prevail, so long as there is a demand for mouse traps, and other companies will either adjuster their prices, technologies, or fail.  The common misconception with capitalism is the idea that companies and individuals have to MAXIMIZE their profits.  I understand that companies are in business to make money, but maximizing profits is what causes businesses to cut corners in production, dump into the environment (to avoid the cost to properly dispose of materials), ship jobs to other countries where labor laws and minimum wages are less enforeable, etc.  Adam Smith (the proclaimed god of capitalism) in &#8220;A Wealth of Nations&#8221; saw markets as self regulating, EXCEPT the banking system.  Even Adam smith in 1776 understood the need to regulate the banks.  It is to vital of an institution to allow to go unchecked.</p><p>The current system (Federal Reserve system) is designed to cause inflation.  The fractional banking system is inherently flawed.  This inflation and need for credit/debt is one of the causes of the level of National debt.  Who knows when the last time the U.S. national debt was 0?  it was during the civil war, before the Federal Resever was in existance, we had the green back.  the United States is the worst of all developed countries in the world when it comes to income disparity.  We focus on GDP (Gross Demostic Product), I feel a better determining factor as to the economic stability of the nation would be per capita.  Where would we be ranked then?  I agree that the Federal Reserve along with corporate greed and a society that shovels the &#8220;american Dream&#8221; idea down the citizens thoarts are the root causes of the financial crises.  But as long as lobbyists (there are 5 finacial lobbyists for every member of congress) and campaign contributions (it is now legal for corporations to donate unlimited amounts of fuinds to campaigns; Citizens United case)there will be no incentive for the government ot begin regulating or changing tghe current system.  The rich get richer, politicians get more corrupt, and the poor bear the burden, but dont worry&#8230;we always have the jails to keep the poor from doing anything about it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: saleh Amin</title><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/#comment-31648</link> <dc:creator>saleh Amin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:22:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mytwodollars.com/?p=1665#comment-31648</guid> <description>The financial crises faced today all over the world is a sure indicator of the demise of capitalism. could there be a third option for the world to adapt since both communism and capitalism has failed?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The financial crises faced today all over the world is a sure indicator of the demise of capitalism. could there be a third option for the world to adapt since both communism and capitalism has failed?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: What Caused The Financial Crisis Of 2008? : Moolanomy</title><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/#comment-28925</link> <dc:creator>What Caused The Financial Crisis Of 2008? : Moolanomy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:01:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mytwodollars.com/?p=1665#comment-28925</guid> <description>[...] Fed Bailout Could Cost $1 TRILLION Of Your Tax Dollars at My Two Dollars [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fed Bailout Could Cost $1 TRILLION Of Your Tax Dollars at My Two Dollars [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: gene</title><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/#comment-28920</link> <dc:creator>gene</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:56:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mytwodollars.com/?p=1665#comment-28920</guid> <description>What you think of this whole mess really depends on how you view the world. Do we like the way the economy and the world is working? Do we like giant megacorporations REGULATING every aspect of our lives? Do we like government as partner with them, feeding them billions when they whine, and letting them harvest all the cream off the top when things are good? Do we like America becoming more like the other countries in America south of us, with two classes, rich or poor? Goliath computer companies can be adequately replaced by lots of smaller ones. Giant insurance companies can be many smaller companies. The money we will spend to save these Wall Street players could easily provide insurance for hundreds of banks, like the FDIC was originally engineered for. The economy exists because of working people like us, not people who sell paper for greater and more ridiculous amount in more and faster transactions until enough people decide the worthless paper[securities] they are buying actually are worthless or at least way less valuable than what the last person paid for them. Then it comes crashing down and then the government steps in. That is the kind of economy we want? If it is, these should be happy times!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you think of this whole mess really depends on how you view the world. Do we like the way the economy and the world is working? Do we like giant megacorporations REGULATING every aspect of our lives? Do we like government as partner with them, feeding them billions when they whine, and letting them harvest all the cream off the top when things are good? Do we like America becoming more like the other countries in America south of us, with two classes, rich or poor? Goliath computer companies can be adequately replaced by lots of smaller ones. Giant insurance companies can be many smaller companies. The money we will spend to save these Wall Street players could easily provide insurance for hundreds of banks, like the FDIC was originally engineered for. The economy exists because of working people like us, not people who sell paper for greater and more ridiculous amount in more and faster transactions until enough people decide the worthless paper[securities] they are buying actually are worthless or at least way less valuable than what the last person paid for them. Then it comes crashing down and then the government steps in. That is the kind of economy we want? If it is, these should be happy times!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: david</title><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/#comment-28916</link> <dc:creator>david</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mytwodollars.com/?p=1665#comment-28916</guid> <description>Kitty - who wins and who loses?  We lose, the shareholders/CEO&#039;s win.  That&#039;s how it works.  Last I checked, no one bailed me out of anything.  The govt does not even want to help people pay their medical bills, but we can manage to bail out companies that sold their soul to make billions?  These companies deserve to fail, and I don&#039;t want to pay to fix their mistakes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kitty &#8211; who wins and who loses?  We lose, the shareholders/CEO&#8217;s win.  That&#8217;s how it works.  Last I checked, no one bailed me out of anything.  The govt does not even want to help people pay their medical bills, but we can manage to bail out companies that sold their soul to make billions?  These companies deserve to fail, and I don&#8217;t want to pay to fix their mistakes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kitty</title><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/#comment-28915</link> <dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:03:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mytwodollars.com/?p=1665#comment-28915</guid> <description>Sure, let&#039;s let all these banks and AIG fail. Since AIG debt is owned by many other banks world-wide let them suffer losses and maybe fail too. Some analysts thought that AIG failure can be so catastrophic it&#039;ll lead to another Great Depression, but we don&#039;t believe them, we know better. After all our deposits are all FDIC insured. Remind me where exactly FDIC money come from? What about when FDIC reserves dry out, where would FDIC get the money then? You guessed - taxes or maybe more money printed as in inflation.
Incidentally, all these banks and AIG employ people, say, IT personnel, tellers, and such. Let&#039;s them be unemployed, after all they worked for these banks, so they must be responsible. All this unemployment will sure help the economy.
And what about companies that sell, say, computer equipment to all these banks. They&#039;ll suffer losses too. What exactly do companies do when they suffer losses. You guessed, they lay off people. Are you sure your job will be safe when more banks fail?
Incidentally, have anybody bothered to read the details about, for example, AIG deal? The government lends money to AIG at 11%-something, and gets to control 79.9% of the company. There are parts of AIG which are quite profitable, and successful sale of these parts can actually bring more than what government loaned AIG. There is a pretty good chance that the government will actually make money here.
As to other assets that the government will buy - it all depends on the price.Unless we know the details, how do we know it will be just a waste of money? It may actually be a good deal if some of these assets are bought at the right price.
And if you think it cannot possibly be a good deal, look at Chrysler bailout in 1980. The government made a whole lot of money when the Chrysler rebounded. Until we know the details of the bail out, why are we so sure it&#039;s not going to be as profitable as the Chrysler deal?
Nope, I don&#039;t work for the financial industry. I work for a large technology company that sells computers and stuff, and yes some of our customers are those banks.... Are you sure your companies will be unaffected if all these banks are allowed to fail?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, let&#8217;s let all these banks and AIG fail. Since AIG debt is owned by many other banks world-wide let them suffer losses and maybe fail too. Some analysts thought that AIG failure can be so catastrophic it&#8217;ll lead to another Great Depression, but we don&#8217;t believe them, we know better. After all our deposits are all FDIC insured. Remind me where exactly FDIC money come from? What about when FDIC reserves dry out, where would FDIC get the money then? You guessed &#8211; taxes or maybe more money printed as in inflation.</p><p>Incidentally, all these banks and AIG employ people, say, IT personnel, tellers, and such. Let&#8217;s them be unemployed, after all they worked for these banks, so they must be responsible. All this unemployment will sure help the economy.</p><p>And what about companies that sell, say, computer equipment to all these banks. They&#8217;ll suffer losses too. What exactly do companies do when they suffer losses. You guessed, they lay off people. Are you sure your job will be safe when more banks fail?</p><p>Incidentally, have anybody bothered to read the details about, for example, AIG deal? The government lends money to AIG at 11%-something, and gets to control 79.9% of the company. There are parts of AIG which are quite profitable, and successful sale of these parts can actually bring more than what government loaned AIG. There is a pretty good chance that the government will actually make money here.</p><p>As to other assets that the government will buy &#8211; it all depends on the price.Unless we know the details, how do we know it will be just a waste of money? It may actually be a good deal if some of these assets are bought at the right price.</p><p>And if you think it cannot possibly be a good deal, look at Chrysler bailout in 1980. The government made a whole lot of money when the Chrysler rebounded. Until we know the details of the bail out, why are we so sure it&#8217;s not going to be as profitable as the Chrysler deal?</p><p>Nope, I don&#8217;t work for the financial industry. I work for a large technology company that sells computers and stuff, and yes some of our customers are those banks&#8230;. Are you sure your companies will be unaffected if all these banks are allowed to fail?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Donna</title><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/#comment-28913</link> <dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:16:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mytwodollars.com/?p=1665#comment-28913</guid> <description>They really think the American people are ignorant morons, don&#039;t they?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO6P_yjKFR4</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They really think the American people are ignorant morons, don&#8217;t they?</p><p><a
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO6P_yjKFR4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO6P_yjKFR4</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sunday Link Love ~ Holy Economy Edition &#124; I've Paid For This Twice Already...</title><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/#comment-28911</link> <dc:creator>Sunday Link Love ~ Holy Economy Edition &#124; I've Paid For This Twice Already...</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:52:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mytwodollars.com/?p=1665#comment-28911</guid> <description>[...] Fed Bailout could cost $1 trillion of your dollars - via My Two Dollars [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fed Bailout could cost $1 trillion of your dollars &#8211; via My Two Dollars [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: stocks</title><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/#comment-28903</link> <dc:creator>stocks</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:56:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mytwodollars.com/?p=1665#comment-28903</guid> <description>With the freddie mac and fannie mae overtaking, as well as the 85 billion dollar buyout for AIG, the US government is getting into big business at a huge discount.  Thats what happens with a vast amount of money, heck they could just print more, deflate the dollar, but who cares about that eh?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the freddie mac and fannie mae overtaking, as well as the 85 billion dollar buyout for AIG, the US government is getting into big business at a huge discount.  Thats what happens with a vast amount of money, heck they could just print more, deflate the dollar, but who cares about that eh?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: gene</title><link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2008/09/19/fed-bailout-could-cost-1-trillion-of-your-tax-dollars/#comment-28900</link> <dc:creator>gene</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:45:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mytwodollars.com/?p=1665#comment-28900</guid> <description>The bailouts are a crock. If our leaders had any fortitude, they would let these bloated, decadent corporations go under, get restructured and resold to companies that know what they are doing. The would stand up and reaffirm our faith in the FDIC and the banking system. They would let the uninsured money markets fold, if there is any fraud, etc. they would prosecute and get the investors at least their basic investment from the perpretrators. We would all learn a valuble lesson, invest in safe, solid ways, unless you can stand to lose what you have, and that would go for the nickel investor or the CEO of AIG. and the housing market would recover as soon as houses were again at affordable levels. But obviously that is not going to happen, we are redistributing the wealth deeply into the pockets of the wealthy from the backs of the taxpayer, and we are falling fast over a cliff of corruption!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bailouts are a crock. If our leaders had any fortitude, they would let these bloated, decadent corporations go under, get restructured and resold to companies that know what they are doing. The would stand up and reaffirm our faith in the FDIC and the banking system. They would let the uninsured money markets fold, if there is any fraud, etc. they would prosecute and get the investors at least their basic investment from the perpretrators. We would all learn a valuble lesson, invest in safe, solid ways, unless you can stand to lose what you have, and that would go for the nickel investor or the CEO of AIG. and the housing market would recover as soon as houses were again at affordable levels. But obviously that is not going to happen, we are redistributing the wealth deeply into the pockets of the wealthy from the backs of the taxpayer, and we are falling fast over a cliff of corruption!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
