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	<title>Comments on: Economist Paul Krugman &#8211; &#8220;This Could Be 1931 &#8211; The Collapse Of EVERYTHING.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Friday Link Love - Fighting the Funk Edition &#124; One Caveman's Financial Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Link Love - Fighting the Funk Edition &#124; One Caveman's Financial Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Relentless March of the Financially Clueless &#124; Tough Money Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Relentless March of the Financially Clueless &#124; Tough Money Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In so doing, I came across some outstanding comments left by Ron from The Wisdom Journal blog to a post at My Two Dollars.  One of the reasons that I enjoyed Ron&#8217;s comments was that he agreed that Congress and the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I am happy that someone can come in, disagree with me on some things, but not throw insults around like some other commenters do. It takes away from any argument when they start attacking people because of a disagreement on policy.

Ron, we are not getting any younger but seemingly these same politicians will be in office when I am dead and gone.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I am happy that someone can come in, disagree with me on some things, but not throw insults around like some other commenters do. It takes away from any argument when they start attacking people because of a disagreement on policy.</p>
<p>Ron, we are not getting any younger but seemingly these same politicians will be in office when I am dead and gone.  <img src='http://www.mytwodollars.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ron@TheWisdomJournal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron@TheWisdomJournal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re on the same page on that my friend! One thing I love about discussing this stuff with you is you definitely keep me on my toes! And they have been in power since I was a teenager, too...and that&#039;s been a long, long time ago. Yikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re on the same page on that my friend! One thing I love about discussing this stuff with you is you definitely keep me on my toes! And they have been in power since I was a teenager, too&#8230;and that&#8217;s been a long, long time ago. Yikes.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, we may disagree on a lot of things, but I agree with you on getting rid of every single one of them.  Too bad it will never happen. Politics was not meant to be a career - it was meant to be a service to your country for X amount of years.  These people have made a career out of it, and it is time for term limits for all of them, just like the President has in place.   8 years, tops, you are out. See ya, no more govt. service. Most of these people have not changed jobs since I was a teenager!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, we may disagree on a lot of things, but I agree with you on getting rid of every single one of them.  Too bad it will never happen. Politics was not meant to be a career &#8211; it was meant to be a service to your country for X amount of years.  These people have made a career out of it, and it is time for term limits for all of them, just like the President has in place.   8 years, tops, you are out. See ya, no more govt. service. Most of these people have not changed jobs since I was a teenager!</p>
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		<title>By: Slinky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slinky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a libertarian against the bailouts and health care and welfare and social security. I don&#039;t need a babysitter, thanks.

How many PF bloggers are good with their money BECAUSE they hit rock bottom? Did it suck? Yes. Was it painful? Yes. Knowing where you are now, would you choose to go back to being stupid with your money and running up debt just because it was a painful learning experience? I&#039;m guessing not.

So am I worried about what will happen with the economy and whether I might lose my money or my job? Sure, but I still believe that this is a lesson that america needs to learn. People have made their beds and dragged the rest of us down with them. Now all of us will have to live through this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a libertarian against the bailouts and health care and welfare and social security. I don&#8217;t need a babysitter, thanks.</p>
<p>How many PF bloggers are good with their money BECAUSE they hit rock bottom? Did it suck? Yes. Was it painful? Yes. Knowing where you are now, would you choose to go back to being stupid with your money and running up debt just because it was a painful learning experience? I&#8217;m guessing not.</p>
<p>So am I worried about what will happen with the economy and whether I might lose my money or my job? Sure, but I still believe that this is a lesson that america needs to learn. People have made their beds and dragged the rest of us down with them. Now all of us will have to live through this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron@TheWisdomJournal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron@TheWisdomJournal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t work did it? Those idiots at FM&amp;FM ended up and got a bill to regulate them further even though they supposedly paid for &quot;access?&quot; LOL! And they&#039;re managing billions... 

It all boils down to the repeal of Glass-Stegall back in 1999 under Clinton (who willingly signed the repeal). That act prevented banks from tampering in the stock market. De-regulation was supported by Clinton...and Biden. McCain didn&#039;t vote. Here&#039;s the vote breakdown:

REPUBLICANS FOR (52): Abraham, Allard, Ashcroft, Bennett, Brownback, Bond, Bunning, Burns, Campbell, Chafee, Cochran, Collins, Coverdell, Craig, Crapo, DeWine, Domenici, Enzi, Frist, Gorton, Gramm (Tex.), Grams (Minn.), Grassley, Gregg, Hegel, Hatch, Helms, Hutchinson (Ark.), Hutchison (Tex.), Inhofe, Jeffords, Kyl, Lott, Lugar, Mack, McConnell, Murkowski, Nickles, Roberts, Roth, Santorum, Sessions, Smith (N.H.), Smith (Ore.), Snowe, Specter, Stevens, Thomas, Thompson, Thurmond, Voinovich and Warner. 

DEMOCRATS FOR (38): Akaka, Baucus, Bayh, Biden, Bingaman, Breaux, Byrd, Cleland, Conrad, Daschle, Dodd, Durbin, Edwards, Feinstein, Graham (Fla.), Hollings, Inouye, Johnson, Kennedy, Kerrey (Neb.), Kerry (Mass.), Kohl, Landrieu, Lautenberg, Leahy, Levin, Lieberman, Lincoln, Moynihan, Murray, Reed (R.L), Reid (Nev.), Robb, Rockefeller, Sarbanes, Schumer, Torricelli and Wyden.

REPUBLICANS AGAINST(1): Shelby.

DEMOCRATS AGAINST(7): Boxer, Bryan, Dorgan, Feingold, Harkin, Mikulski and Wellstone.

NOT VOTING: 2 REPUBLICANS (2): Fitzgerald (voted present) and McCain.

The repeal of Glass-Stegall allowed all the shenanigans to get started. It was the beginning of the end and no person who voted for it should be crying about de-regulation. Heck, they&#039;re the ones who put it in motion. The whole thing was very bi-partisan. That&#039;s why I blame Congress 100%. Throw them all out...except Richard Shelby. He&#039;s a personal friend from many years back. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t work did it? Those idiots at FM&amp;FM ended up and got a bill to regulate them further even though they supposedly paid for &#8220;access?&#8221; LOL! And they&#8217;re managing billions&#8230; </p>
<p>It all boils down to the repeal of Glass-Stegall back in 1999 under Clinton (who willingly signed the repeal). That act prevented banks from tampering in the stock market. De-regulation was supported by Clinton&#8230;and Biden. McCain didn&#8217;t vote. Here&#8217;s the vote breakdown:</p>
<p>REPUBLICANS FOR (52): Abraham, Allard, Ashcroft, Bennett, Brownback, Bond, Bunning, Burns, Campbell, Chafee, Cochran, Collins, Coverdell, Craig, Crapo, DeWine, Domenici, Enzi, Frist, Gorton, Gramm (Tex.), Grams (Minn.), Grassley, Gregg, Hegel, Hatch, Helms, Hutchinson (Ark.), Hutchison (Tex.), Inhofe, Jeffords, Kyl, Lott, Lugar, Mack, McConnell, Murkowski, Nickles, Roberts, Roth, Santorum, Sessions, Smith (N.H.), Smith (Ore.), Snowe, Specter, Stevens, Thomas, Thompson, Thurmond, Voinovich and Warner. </p>
<p>DEMOCRATS FOR (38): Akaka, Baucus, Bayh, Biden, Bingaman, Breaux, Byrd, Cleland, Conrad, Daschle, Dodd, Durbin, Edwards, Feinstein, Graham (Fla.), Hollings, Inouye, Johnson, Kennedy, Kerrey (Neb.), Kerry (Mass.), Kohl, Landrieu, Lautenberg, Leahy, Levin, Lieberman, Lincoln, Moynihan, Murray, Reed (R.L), Reid (Nev.), Robb, Rockefeller, Sarbanes, Schumer, Torricelli and Wyden.</p>
<p>REPUBLICANS AGAINST(1): Shelby.</p>
<p>DEMOCRATS AGAINST(7): Boxer, Bryan, Dorgan, Feingold, Harkin, Mikulski and Wellstone.</p>
<p>NOT VOTING: 2 REPUBLICANS (2): Fitzgerald (voted present) and McCain.</p>
<p>The repeal of Glass-Stegall allowed all the shenanigans to get started. It was the beginning of the end and no person who voted for it should be crying about de-regulation. Heck, they&#8217;re the ones who put it in motion. The whole thing was very bi-partisan. That&#8217;s why I blame Congress 100%. Throw them all out&#8230;except Richard Shelby. He&#8217;s a personal friend from many years back. <img src='http://www.mytwodollars.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, as Fox News puts it - &quot;to minorities&quot; - that&#039;s the cause, according to their anchor Cavuto.

What about McCain&#039;s campaign manager getting $30K a month for the last 5 years, from FM&amp;FM,  to provide access to McCain for FM&amp;FM so they can avoid regulation on their loans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, as Fox News puts it &#8211; &#8220;to minorities&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s the cause, according to their anchor Cavuto.</p>
<p>What about McCain&#8217;s campaign manager getting $30K a month for the last 5 years, from FM&#038;FM,  to provide access to McCain for FM&#038;FM so they can avoid regulation on their loans?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron@TheWisdomJournal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron@TheWisdomJournal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Summarized from Bloomberg&#039;s Kevin Hassett:

Three years ago, Alan Greenspan warned that Fannie and Freddie were on cue to put our entire financial system risk and a Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill (S-190) was co-sponsored by John McCain and would have required both Fannie and Freddie to divest of their riskier assets. In essence, it would have given a regulator the power to say &quot;not a chance!&quot;

But the bill didn&#039;t become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, indicating this would be a partisan issue. Republicans couldn&#039;t even bring it to a vote in the Senate for fear of a filibuster.

The Democrats, under Clinton, had strengthened a government-created monster called the &quot;Community Reinvestment Act.&quot;  This law was then used by &quot;activists&quot; and &quot;community organizers&quot; to coerce lending institutions to make these bad loans ... millions of them. Many of them are on record bragging about their harassment tactics aimed at getting banks to make more loans to unqualified, sub-prime buyers.

Throughout his political career, Senator Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000.

Clinton, the 12th-ranked recipient of Fannie and Freddie PAC and employee contributions, has received more than $75,000 from the two enterprises and their employees. The private profit found its way back to the senators who killed the fix.

They socialized the risk but privatized the profit, so to speak.

There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear. 

Today we get to see what happens when political &quot;wisdom&quot; thinks it understands and knows more than good loan underwriters.  When private financial institutions are forced to make loans to people with a bad credit and job history...this is what you get. Enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summarized from Bloomberg&#8217;s Kevin Hassett:</p>
<p>Three years ago, Alan Greenspan warned that Fannie and Freddie were on cue to put our entire financial system risk and a Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill (S-190) was co-sponsored by John McCain and would have required both Fannie and Freddie to divest of their riskier assets. In essence, it would have given a regulator the power to say &#8220;not a chance!&#8221;</p>
<p>But the bill didn&#8217;t become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, indicating this would be a partisan issue. Republicans couldn&#8217;t even bring it to a vote in the Senate for fear of a filibuster.</p>
<p>The Democrats, under Clinton, had strengthened a government-created monster called the &#8220;Community Reinvestment Act.&#8221;  This law was then used by &#8220;activists&#8221; and &#8220;community organizers&#8221; to coerce lending institutions to make these bad loans &#8230; millions of them. Many of them are on record bragging about their harassment tactics aimed at getting banks to make more loans to unqualified, sub-prime buyers.</p>
<p>Throughout his political career, Senator Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000.</p>
<p>Clinton, the 12th-ranked recipient of Fannie and Freddie PAC and employee contributions, has received more than $75,000 from the two enterprises and their employees. The private profit found its way back to the senators who killed the fix.</p>
<p>They socialized the risk but privatized the profit, so to speak.</p>
<p>There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear. </p>
<p>Today we get to see what happens when political &#8220;wisdom&#8221; thinks it understands and knows more than good loan underwriters.  When private financial institutions are forced to make loans to people with a bad credit and job history&#8230;this is what you get. Enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron@TheWisdomJournal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron@TheWisdomJournal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing&#039;s for sure. The government won&#039;t fix it. Government isn&#039;t the solution to problems. government IS the problem. There is nothing that government cannot make worse.

Just wait til the monies start flowing back in from this investment (it isn&#039;t a real &quot;bailout&quot; since it&#039;s backed by real estate). You think ANY of that will go to reducing the Federal debt? Nope, no matter who is in office, it will be wasted, squandered away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing&#8217;s for sure. The government won&#8217;t fix it. Government isn&#8217;t the solution to problems. government IS the problem. There is nothing that government cannot make worse.</p>
<p>Just wait til the monies start flowing back in from this investment (it isn&#8217;t a real &#8220;bailout&#8221; since it&#8217;s backed by real estate). You think ANY of that will go to reducing the Federal debt? Nope, no matter who is in office, it will be wasted, squandered away.</p>
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