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	<title>Comments on: State Excise Taxes On Cigarettes &#8211; What&#8217;s Your Take?</title>
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		<title>By: Craig Eliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Eliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think the price should be very high so that people just forget about them ... and I smoke occasionally.  With these prices, the occasional craving goes away a LOT faster!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think the price should be very high so that people just forget about them &#8230; and I smoke occasionally.  With these prices, the occasional craving goes away a LOT faster!</p>
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		<title>By: MITBeta @ Don't Feed the Alligators</title>
		<link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2009/02/11/state-excise-taxes-on-cigarettes-whats-your-take/comment-page-1/#comment-31578</link>
		<dc:creator>MITBeta @ Don't Feed the Alligators</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with a tax on cigarettes which have a large number of negative externalities.  I believe, in general, that people should pay for the full cost of a product at the register, rather than after the fact through taxes.  

Other products should be taxed according to the negative externalities that they cause as well, whether they be Cheetos, home heat fuel, plasma TVs, or whatever.  Only by paying the &quot;full&quot; price of a product at the time of purchase will we have any incentive to curb our use of dangerous, deadly, polluting, etc. products.

It&#039;s been estimated that if you take into account all the factors need to deliver a gallon of gasoline to the pump, and then pay for all of the health problems, etc. that result from the use of gasoline, it would cost about $12/gallon.  We pay for this anyway, so why not be up front about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with a tax on cigarettes which have a large number of negative externalities.  I believe, in general, that people should pay for the full cost of a product at the register, rather than after the fact through taxes.  </p>
<p>Other products should be taxed according to the negative externalities that they cause as well, whether they be Cheetos, home heat fuel, plasma TVs, or whatever.  Only by paying the &#8220;full&#8221; price of a product at the time of purchase will we have any incentive to curb our use of dangerous, deadly, polluting, etc. products.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been estimated that if you take into account all the factors need to deliver a gallon of gasoline to the pump, and then pay for all of the health problems, etc. that result from the use of gasoline, it would cost about $12/gallon.  We pay for this anyway, so why not be up front about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Wren</title>
		<link>http://www.mytwodollars.com/2009/02/11/state-excise-taxes-on-cigarettes-whats-your-take/comment-page-1/#comment-31575</link>
		<dc:creator>Wren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a social smoker (read: a couple cigarettes a month), but I&#039;m all for taxing the hell out of cigarettes. It&#039;s good for everyone! The services from taxes benefit everyone, and smokers get a nice nudge in the direction of avoiding cancer/not dying/living longer. What&#039;s not to love?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a social smoker (read: a couple cigarettes a month), but I&#8217;m all for taxing the hell out of cigarettes. It&#8217;s good for everyone! The services from taxes benefit everyone, and smokers get a nice nudge in the direction of avoiding cancer/not dying/living longer. What&#8217;s not to love?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this will bite them in the rear. If they raise taxes to a certain level, people will buy from the web. I was able to buy Dunhills for less than Marlboros a while back. It just took about 3 weeks to receive them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this will bite them in the rear. If they raise taxes to a certain level, people will buy from the web. I was able to buy Dunhills for less than Marlboros a while back. It just took about 3 weeks to receive them.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam - NPF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam - NPF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually a case study in most economics courses about &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elasticity_(economics)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elasticity&lt;/a&gt;. The logical pothole that the governments hits everytime is that they have dual &lt;i&gt;incompatible&lt;/i&gt; goals.
1) Reduce smoking (higher price = less demand)
2) Increase revenue (higher taxes = more revenue

The problem is that the goals are mutually exclusive. If there is less demand because of the higher prices, revenue will also decrease. Similarly if revenue increases, then this isn&#039;t an incentive to quit smoking.

A third problem that New York has made famous is that while smoking is hard to quit (thus cigarettes are an inelastic good), consumers have the ability to buy these goods in many places. Instead of accomplishing either goal, smokers now cross state lines to buy their cigarettes enriching other states and providing no incentive to quit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually a case study in most economics courses about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elasticity_(economics)" rel="nofollow">elasticity</a>. The logical pothole that the governments hits everytime is that they have dual <i>incompatible</i> goals.<br />
1) Reduce smoking (higher price = less demand)<br />
2) Increase revenue (higher taxes = more revenue</p>
<p>The problem is that the goals are mutually exclusive. If there is less demand because of the higher prices, revenue will also decrease. Similarly if revenue increases, then this isn&#8217;t an incentive to quit smoking.</p>
<p>A third problem that New York has made famous is that while smoking is hard to quit (thus cigarettes are an inelastic good), consumers have the ability to buy these goods in many places. Instead of accomplishing either goal, smokers now cross state lines to buy their cigarettes enriching other states and providing no incentive to quit.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of agree, because if we tax cigarettes, why not junk food, alcohol, etc?  They are all bad for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of agree, because if we tax cigarettes, why not junk food, alcohol, etc?  They are all bad for us.</p>
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		<title>By: J-Bird</title>
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		<dc:creator>J-Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have zero problem with a tax on cigarettes.  Considering all the health costs that they causes, to both the smoker and (if the smoker is irresponsible) to those around the smoker, it seems reasonable to me that the taxes are higher.  Of course, I live in Canada, where we have universal healthcare and the taxes are higher on both cigarettes and alcohol.  The idea is that you&#039;re going to be larger pull on the healthcare system, so you &quot;pay-in&quot; through the product tax.  I&#039;m not a smoker, but I do drink; the taxes are embedded in my mind as part of the cost, I don&#039;t see it as &quot;this is what I SHOULD be paying, and this is how much the government rips me off by&quot;, and I worked as a wine buyer for years, so I know what the differential is!

I wouldn&#039;t be opposed to a tax on junk food either.  When people make a choice to over-indulge in things that are known to be bad for their health, I think there should be a price attached.  Everything in moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have zero problem with a tax on cigarettes.  Considering all the health costs that they causes, to both the smoker and (if the smoker is irresponsible) to those around the smoker, it seems reasonable to me that the taxes are higher.  Of course, I live in Canada, where we have universal healthcare and the taxes are higher on both cigarettes and alcohol.  The idea is that you&#8217;re going to be larger pull on the healthcare system, so you &#8220;pay-in&#8221; through the product tax.  I&#8217;m not a smoker, but I do drink; the taxes are embedded in my mind as part of the cost, I don&#8217;t see it as &#8220;this is what I SHOULD be paying, and this is how much the government rips me off by&#8221;, and I worked as a wine buyer for years, so I know what the differential is!</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be opposed to a tax on junk food either.  When people make a choice to over-indulge in things that are known to be bad for their health, I think there should be a price attached.  Everything in moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: hustler</title>
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		<dc:creator>hustler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the fence about this.  I used to smoke and it was very difficult to quit.  I always said, once they reach a certain amount per pack I&#039;ll quit.  So it will cause some people to quit, while others will just pay more.  Plus, if all vices are taxed this way, as many are, at what point does it become out of hand?  Taxes on soda seems legit, but in that aspect almost anything could be taxed as a vice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the fence about this.  I used to smoke and it was very difficult to quit.  I always said, once they reach a certain amount per pack I&#8217;ll quit.  So it will cause some people to quit, while others will just pay more.  Plus, if all vices are taxed this way, as many are, at what point does it become out of hand?  Taxes on soda seems legit, but in that aspect almost anything could be taxed as a vice.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David I knew I read about that somewhere and wasn&#039;t just pulling that out of no where.  Thanks for clearing it up for me and everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David I knew I read about that somewhere and wasn&#8217;t just pulling that out of no where.  Thanks for clearing it up for me and everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, it&#039;s about to happen in NYC already on soda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, it&#8217;s about to happen in NYC already on soda.</p>
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